1929 Vintage Pan-American SilverTone (rare) Mellophone Horn Elkhart,Serial#75829

Description

Vienna horns
Vintage Pan-American Silver Tone Mellophone Horn Elkhart-Ind USA, Serial#75829
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Other number- Not factory stamped -491385882 (looks like someone stamped for personal use but not sure-it could be just stamped differently at an earlier time)
Item is either nickel or silver plated but may be both, but has not been tested
Markings:Pan-American made in Elkhart-Ind USA, 75829, 491385882
Dimensions (Inches):18x10x10
Mouthpiece was stuck in place but I was able to remove it but may need some work. see picture
C,D, E,and F
Detachable crook
interchange with mouthpiece for different notes/sounds and better note range and harmony which are better than double horns per info I have found below.
-Surviving The Great Depression
of nearly 10 years and
-World War11
plus everything after that and to be in the superb condition that it is would be a great piece of history to own. Hard to find item. Museum Piece. More details on history of horn
below:
Mellophone
While they are
pitched in F
, these instruments are much more trumpet-like in playing characteristics.
Like previously mentioned, these horns respond best with mouthpieces similar to a deep trumpet mouthpieces. While they can work with horn mouthpieces, generally they won’t perform at their best.
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Vienna horns
are another type of single horn since they only have one slide per valve. Vienna horns don’t use regular rotors like most French horns, instead, they use special ‘pumpen valves’. These valves contribute to the Vienna horns exceptionally smooth slurs.
While Vienna horns are mostly played in the key of F, they do use a long loop of tubing (called a crook) between the mouthpiece and the body of the horn. This long loop can be replaced by a much smaller loop or a straight tube to put the horn in the key of Bb or A to play especially high parts.
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Tested briefly and produces sound from all three valves and all valves function but will need cleaning, lubrication, and may need other work for proper playability.
Updated12-17-20
Lubricated valves and tubing slides. Added pictures. Very nice condition and have not seen one of any brand of this age in such good condition but your view may differ from mine.
I have not found much info on this one and have not found one like it anywhere for this date and model# except seems to be very rare and older professional model. Found only newer 1950 s and up year models of same brand going for ,000 to ,000
Very old around 1929 and very good condition for age but I am not a professional and sold as is.
They chart below shows a yellow highlighted Horn which is the Horn being sold here:
notes: This listing is intended to include only out of production instruments.
The dates listed represent what we have documented, but don't necessarily mean the acutal productions ranges.
MODEL
NO.
BORE (in.)
BELL (in.)
VALVE(S)
REMARKS
Image
New Wonder
F/Eb/D/C Hi Pitch and International Pitch 5 extra slides, two mouthpieces
Produced: 1899 - 1906
Musical Truth: 1899, 1906
New Invention
3diag
Produced: 1913 - 1913
Musical Truth: 1913
New Invention Ballad
3p
C/Bb
Produced: 1913 - 1913
Catalog: 1913
Wonder
4E
.500
12
3p diag*
LP F/Eb/D/C *In 1930 catalog, diag *By 1935 catalog, Pup
Produced: 1917 - 1941
Catalog: 1917, 1940
Wonder
5E
.500
12
3p diag
HP/LP F/Eb/D/C
Produced: 1917 - 1929
Catalog: 1917, 1924, 1928
French Horn Alto
6E
.500
12
3p diag
LP Eb-C F-Eb-D-C (in 1911)
Produced: 1911 - 1928
Catalog: 1924, 1928 Musical Truth: 1911
French Horn Alto
7E
.500
12
3p diag
HP Eb-C F-Eb-D-C (in 1911)
Produced: 1911 - 1928
Catalog: 1924, 1928 Musical Truth: 1911
Ballad Horn
8E
12
3p diag
LP C/Bb Ballad Horn
Produced: 1919 - 1929
Catalog: 1924, 1928
Ballad Horn
9E
12
3p diag
HP C/Bb Ballad Horn
Produced: 1919 - 1929
Catalog: 1924, 1928
Director
14E
.500
11 1/8
3p
F/Eb
Produced: 1955 - 1964
16E
.500
Bf
3pup
F/Eb Mellophonium
Produced: 1957 - 1979
Pan American
2021E
10.5
LP Eb Circular Alto LP / HP/LP 21E discontinued 1927
Produced: 1924 - 1929
Catalog: 1924, 1927
Pan American
22/23E
10.5
3pup
F/Eb/D/C LP / HP/LP 23E discontinued 1927
Produced: 1924 - 1929
Catalog Pan Am: c1924, c1927
International
53E
10
3p
Produced: 1924 - 1924
Catalog: 1924
Pan American
58E
10.5
3p
Eb Circular Alto
Produced: 1931 - 1938
Catalog: 1931, 1935
Pan American
62E
11
F/Eb/D/C
Produced: 1931 - 1946
Catalog: 1931, 1935
Cavalier/Govt
96E
.500
10.5
3p
F/Eb (1936-1938 1952) Catalog: 1936
Produced: 1936 - 1952
Sets of instruments by Makers will be periodically added to this table. This listing is intended to include makers where the majority of their model designations are known.
do not know if info in chart above is correct as far as the type,key,etc. but it is all I found online about this instrument.
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New info below I have found on newer model Viennese horn types which shows the
Detachable F crook
on the first image below. This is a different Brand of horn but shows the type and where the crooks are placed.
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Between 1985 and 1987 the director of the Institut für Wiener Klangstil, Prof. Gregor Widholm, carried out a comparative study between the Viennese horn, the double horn in F/Bb and the triple horn in F/Bb/high f, achieving new insights into the acoustic, playing and tonal characteristics of the Viennese horn (
http://iwk.mdw.ac.at
):
The findings of the Institut für Wiener Klangstil show that the Viennese horn’s sound contains a greater number of harmonics and therefore has a brighter sound when compared directly to the double horn, the most commonly used horn. On the Viennese horn the musician can articulate tied notes more softly and alter the instrument’s timbre more easily, which gives him a greater range of musical expression. Played fortissimo, Vienna horns are less conspicuous in the overall orchestra sound than double horns.
Comparison between horns (from left to right): Viennese horn, double (French) horn in F/Bb, triple horn in F/Bb/high f
Why is the Viennese horn harder to play?
In the initial phase of sound generation the Viennese horn requires more energy than the double horn; in fact, the air column to be vibrated is twice as long as that of the horn in high f (
triple horn
in F/Bb/high f). Passages with a large number of staccato notes are therefore very demanding.
In the upper register greater care must be taken than on other horns to apply the correct lip tension in order to avoid the dreaded “
squeak
”, which must nevertheless be counted as one of the Viennese horn’s lovable “peculiarities”.
The distinctive sound and playing characteristics of the Viennese horn are a result of its construction:
Bore
Compared to the double horn, the Viennese horn has a narrower bore: the cylindrical part of the bore has a diameter of about 10.8 mm compared to 11.5–13 mm on the double horn. Its bell and bell joint are also narrower. The result, as pointed out above, is a larger number of harmonics. The Viennese horn’s high harmonics rise more quickly than those of the double horn, even in fast crescendo passages, which means that the musician has a wider range of tone colors at his disposal.
Detachable F crook
The crook is a piece of coiled tubing, which is detachable on the Viennese horn but fixed on the double horn. By changing the crook, which accounts for nearly a third of the total tube length, the instrument’s character – i.e., its response, tone and intonation – can be altered.
Valves
The Vienna valve is a twin-piston valve. The position of the valves on the piston valve unit aids mellow formations of legato notes, which flow and change very smoothly. In fact, in fast legato passages the notes sound slightly blurred. On rotary valve instruments a short interval of noise separates the individual notes from each other, so that even in fast legato passages the impression of distinct notes is given.
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Pan American Brass Serial Number List (rev.1)
Serial Number
Year Manufactured
Remark
1
1917
"America First" name used
3500
1918
"American First" registered
8000
1919
Pan American incorporated 191768-036
Factory up Nov 1919
13000
1920
Lowest "P" serial recorded
19167
1921
25334
1922
25334
1923
37668
1924
43835
1925
50000
1926
57000
1927
65000
1928
75000
1929
Highest "P" serial recorded
82000
1930
87500
1931
93571
1932
99642
1933
105713
1934
111784
1935
117855
1936
123926
1937
130000
1938
137000
1939
145000
1940
152000
1941
War declared Dec. 1941
154500
1942
Switch to wartime production
154600
1943
154700
1944
154800
1945
War ends Aug. 1945
155000
1946
Union strike starts late 1946
158000
1947
Union strike ends early 1947
162000
1948
178857
1949
185714
1950
212571
1951
229428
1952
246285
1953
263142
1954
End serial: 280000
500001
1955
Conn normalizes all serial numbers
Some 3xx,xxx and 4xx,xxx recorded
571750
1956
652002
1957
718626
1958
No Pan American recorded
Condition:
Item(s) are in good/fair condition. Item(s) show wearing with some scuffs, scratches, dents, tarnish and is a little dirty. May need light cleaning.
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If applicable, item will ship in original box.
Please study images for more details as they are part of the description.
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